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01/03/2014 at 11:37

Any Hellebore experts here? I have this Hellebore that has seeded itself from somewhere. I think it's Helleborus argutifolius can any experts shed any light on how it most likely got here? Thanks

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KEF
01/03/2014 at 12:34
01/03/2014 at 12:39

Certainly does look like H. argutifolius. Bird dropping?

KEF
01/03/2014 at 12:59

http://s4.gardenersworld.com/uploads/images/original/38599.jpg?width=201&height=350&mode=max

If this is the same, so much for me saying I didn't have an hellebores

This has been growing in a very poor spot for at least the last 4 yrs.

01/03/2014 at 13:39

I'm along way from expert but they both look like argutifolius to me.

 

01/03/2014 at 14:10

 

KEF wrote (see)
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  .........................This has been growing in a very poor spot for at least the last 4 yrs.

 

 

KEF - that's exactly why I need one for my scrubby shady patch under the biggest ash tree that I'm clearing and planning at the moment  

01/03/2014 at 14:19

..this is my favourite Hellebore although I don't have it at the moment.... it seeds itself heavily but usually in the local vicinity,  if the spent flowers are not cut off mid summer...hundreds of seedlings, one needs to be careful of this if near a pathway or gravel....   I wonder if it might have come from next door if they have one...

I have found it to be a very imposing plant and it grows well in a dry east or north facing location...

01/03/2014 at 14:21

And on the where did that come from thing, I have just found a pure white double flowered one next to a very dark red double one. Now I remember planting the red, but certainly would not have planted the white one right next to it.

 

And the other plant for poor soil in a shady patch would be H. foetidus.

01/03/2014 at 14:26
Berghill wrote (see)

............. And the other plant for poor soil in a shady patch would be H. foetidus.

Yes, I love that one too - it's on the list 

01/03/2014 at 14:27

I like foetidus. I treat it as bi/triennial, After that it seems to go black and nasty looking here

KEF
01/03/2014 at 16:01

I think it's lovely especially as I now know what it is.

I will be out looking for "babies" tomorrow.

01/03/2014 at 16:08

I always refer to mine as Corsicus.   Mine does not seem to seed but I remove the spent flower heads pretty smartly.  It grows in a dry poor spot and thrives there.  For me, not the quality of the Lenten roses but it's foliage is nice pale green and is a reliable performer.  

01/03/2014 at 16:11

It's a bit inclined to get very big and fall over for me. Come to think of it haven't seen any this year, maybe they've keeled over completely. I'll await the seedlings

01/03/2014 at 17:17

I thought i had an argutifolius, but it doesn't look like that.  Mine has very dark green leaves and lime flowers with a hint of a red edge - anyone know what it is ?  They grow everywhere, including cracks in the pavement

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01/03/2014 at 17:20

I have no others of this in the garden, nor the neighbours that I know of. All I can think of other than a bird bringing it in is it lay dormant in the soil for years. I got rid of 22 large Chamaecyparis when I moved in and four from where this was so if it had been hiding in the solid it must have been hiding a long time. I really like it though. I wasn't so sure last year but I thought I'd leave it and see what happens. 

Verdun, corsicus is how it's labeled in some books but not the official name now. It's so hard to keep up. I still catch myself saying Compositae. 

Nut I love foetidus too. I tried to grow them from seed the first year I moved in, none came up, so I bought three small plants. Then suddenly all the seedlings came up. They've taken a few years to flower though and the original plants are still doing really well after 4 years. Maybe it's the position. They're all great though. So nice to have flowers so early.  

Thanks for all the replies. 

KEF
01/03/2014 at 17:30

Chicky that's a monster one. No use me commenting on what it type it is.

01/03/2014 at 18:26

chicky, yours is foetidus

01/03/2014 at 18:44

Corsicus is now argutifolius ......

Nut, to stop it "falling over" I cut fhe flowered stems right to the ground.  It then becomes dense  and compact ESP if growing in poor dry soil

The hellebore above  looks like foetidus to me......the stinking hellebore....not a favourite for me 

01/03/2014 at 19:47

Great - thanks - i won't forget it is the stinking one now !  It doesn't smell though - so why did it get its name ?

01/03/2014 at 19:53

Hiya chicky......think it's leaves smell baaaaaaaad 

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