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I've planted a Madame Alfred Carriere rose with the intention of training it to cover a north facing wall as it keeps getting mentioned as being good in shade. Can somebody who actually grows miss Carriere on a north facing wall give me a 'review'/account of how well she performs in this condition? Does she flower well or just the odd flower in a mass of green? Is her scent as good as they say? Photos welcome!!


I grew Mme Alfred Carriere in a shady north facing back yard some years ago. It flowered well, given good attention,training horizontally as much as possible and mulching in the autumn and feeding in the spring. I found the leaves to be susceptible to sawfly but it was easy to control this by hand-picking them off 

the perfume is lovely, especially when blooms are cut and brought indoors, and if sitting out on a warm summer evening. 

Last edited: 20 September 2016 08:54:10

So good TLC will do the world of good for her?

I get confused when website's suggest she will grow well on a north facing wall but then mentions that it will need at least 4 hours direct sun; a north facing wall will get no direct sun for much of the year with a few moments at sunrise/sunset in high summer.

I will see how she fairs, as to have the scented blooms will be so nice near the kitchen/bedroom windows.

Thanks Dovefromabove for your reply.


My north facing wall gets sun before 9am and after 3 pm between the March and September equinoxes which is when a rose will need it.  I had Guinée and New Dawn growing perfectly well till cut down by a freak -32C frost.  Since then I've planted a smaller Falstaff with a thick mulch of bark to protect the roots and we haven't been so cold.  It seems happy enough.

Wow that is cold. So long as im not wasting precious time trying to grow something that wont be happy with its conditions. 


Mine grows on. North wall. Covered in flowers every year. It does have a tendency to drooping at times as they are very vigorous despite training but I don't mind as the drooping effect just means the flowers are more easily seen and sniffed. Lovely scent. One of my clients has one on a west facing wall which does a similar thing but hers suffers from powdery mildew but that's really down to the way it was planted into a cobbled area with a drain close by so it doesn't get the water it needs. Mine doesn't seem to suffer from sawfly, they seem to prefer the ramblers I have or my shrub roses. Personally I wouldn't be without it. 

Thanks Dave. Does your wall get much direct sun? 

I cant wait to smell its first flower

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