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I have this shrub that was just bare stems when we moved in.  Last year it got leaves v late as it had been pruned so hard the autumn before we moved in. 

I have assumed it is a buddleja due to its stems, but looking at the leaves and buds now I'm not so sure.  I thought it may have been an offspring from the neighbours yellow buddleja but totally different shape leaves I'm noticing now.  Leaves not silver enough for the davidii. 

Any ideas



 thanks for any help. 


I'm going for Philadelphus - you'll get some lovely scented blossom and when those are finished you can do a bit of pruning to reshape it and get some new growth lower down - it'll be gorgeous.

When it blooms show us some pics and we'll have a go at identfying it - that's if everyone agrees with me that it's a Philadelphus ............ 

oh wow that would be fab, I planted two other philadephus in the same bed as I love them so much.  will keep you posted. 

Happy happy happy 


I hope I'm right - are the leaves similar???  I have got my old glasses on 

Dove is correct, again, you can hack it down to ground level if you want to reshape it, did it with mine, it's shooting away already.



I wouldn't cut it down now - you'll lose all this year's flowers as it blooms on wood formed the previous summer. 

As I said, we'll have a look at pruning it later when the flowers fade 


I doubt it will flower this year if it was hacked down in autumn though. Wait for flowers next year then prune it a bit straight after. Would anyone agree?.

it was pruned hard the year before last, and you are right Lyn it didn't flower last year. this year however we might be lucky.  Looks like buds on their already. I will take some photo's if they come out. 

Off to do some research as to what variety it might be, as the leaves look slightly different to the Belle Etoile I have. may be the difference between young and old shrub though.

thank you.  I might prune it down a bit lower after it does flower just so we can smell those lovely flowers. 

At last I have flowers, are you able to identify which type of Philadelphus this is ? 


This is the height of it, I've got a Clematis growing up it, which is flowering for the first time too, but I'm thinking the philadelphus height could do with coming down a bit.  Had left the height thinking it was a buddleja, 

  I assume best time to prune it would be after it finishes flowering. 

 thank you. x



It will flower on 2 year old wood, so prune out the oldest/thickest stems right to the ground. Don't lollipop it or you will get no flowers next year. Prune out flowered shoots  immediately after flowering.

As to variety.... not virginal, not coronarius aureus, might be belle etoile.??

Thanks Fidget bones, good idea re not all at once. 

Not Belle Etoile, as I have that already and those flowers are yellow in the middle...


I've got two Belle Etoile, bought last year, but the leaves are softer and brighter. Maybe because they're young plants though?

Only pic I have is a bit blurry 


The trouble is there are dozens of forms of Phildelphus, go to Pershore College and look at the National Collection. They are almost identical to the non-specialist.

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