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20/05/2013 at 17:36

Hi, I was just wondering which variety of geranium this photo shows?  I would like to grow some hardy varieties, but how do you tell between the tender bedding type and the perennials?

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l586/fruitymango/photo2.jpg

20/05/2013 at 17:37

What do the leaves look like?

20/05/2013 at 17:56

Go down to the GC and look. Those sold from under cover, in plugs, for hanging baskets, for patio displays etc are the tender  ones, pelagoniums.

Those in bigger pots out in the open amongst the other perennial plants are hardy. And probably labelled hardy geranium. Different type of plant entirely

20/05/2013 at 18:10

Hardy geraniums - the genus name is Geranium. A common name is Cranesbill. Your flower looks like one of these.There are hundreds, probably thousands of varieties. 

Tender geraniums are not geraniums at all. The genus name is pelargonium. They are often sold as Zonal Geraniums to distinguish them from true geraniums. 

The leaves of hardy geraniums vary a lot, depending on the species / cultivar. Here are some piccies: 

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=hardy+geranium+leaf&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.d2k&ix=sea&biw=1309&bih=697&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=8VeaUYrnC4TF0QWA6IGoAQ

 

Zonal geranium leaves also vary a great deal. Here are some:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=hardy+geranium+leaf&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.d2k&ix=sea&biw=1309&bih=697&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=8VeaUYrnC4TF0QWA6IGoAQ#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=zonal+geranium+leaf&oq=zonal+geranium+leaf&gs_l=img.12..0.42155.42916.0.44911.5.5.0.0.0.0.70.259.5.5.0...0.0...1c.1.14.img.HRJHU7lOtbQ&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.d2k&fp=baf161e89a0636cd&biw=1309&bih=697

Zonals usually have thick fleshy leaf stems, quite unlike those of true geraniums. If you see a young zonal geranium seedling with a purple ring around the centre of an otherwise green leaf then it is likley to be one that will produce red flowers. If the leaf is plain light green then the flower is more likely to be white. 

 

 

 

20/05/2013 at 18:27

Thanks Gold1locks for that info re the purple ring of some of the leaves, didn't know that

20/05/2013 at 18:33

Thanks for the help,

I know pelargonium are tender, I just thought the flower on this one I have looked more hardy geranium, but looking at the leaves they actually look more on the 'fleshy' tender side.. I am assuming therefore it's tender, I'll have a look around for hardy geraniums!

20/05/2013 at 18:40

hardy geraniums are some of my favourites. Geranium phaeum is very early, been out for some time, very dark purple but also has a pink and a white version. Next there's G sylvaticum and G. macrorrhizum. All good for a shady spot. After that there are hundreds of them, something for any place in the garden

20/05/2013 at 19:20

Orion is a very special one. It flowers from June till October, non stop!! I have two. Unfortunately it  is not easily divided, otherwise I'd have a lot more. 

20/05/2013 at 20:25

Just looked at Orion Gold1locks. Lovely. I've got something a bit similar but lighter in colour 'Blue Cloud'. 

20/05/2013 at 20:36

Just had a look. Lovely soft pale blue. Does it flower till autumn, and is it easily divided? Its now on my radar!

20/05/2013 at 20:43

It's easily divided, possibly not as long a flowerer as some but will have another go it youcut it back

20/05/2013 at 22:47

"Roseanne" is the blockbuster Geranium...clever plant breeding has produced a vigourous, longer flowering variety than the usual types many of which are over too soon in the year. Needs a bit more space than most. 

Psilostenum is a very striking cerise with a dark eye...stunning.

Anne Folkard has the habit of climbing through it's neighbours and makes a good companion to lavender for example.

21/05/2013 at 05:00

Woodgreen boy, you are right. That,s the one I meant! Got mixed up. I got Orion firstAnd Roseanne later. Its roseanne that I haver two of. I also have the other two you mention. Psilostenum is easy to divide. Ann folkard has very similar flower colour but lovely yellow green leaves. Like Roseanne it does not divide easily. I have had mine for 8 years and have not yet seen a separate crown confidently split off. 

Loopyloo on the old BBC site once told me she had managed to divide  her Roseanne so I wait in hope. What's your experience?

21/05/2013 at 09:40

That explains it Gold1locks. I wondered how a pratense cultivar could be difficult to divide

I was wondering about trying some cuttings from Roseanne. Do you think that would work?

21/05/2013 at 10:16

Lovwly colour - though agree with above that without leaf it's hard to tell what you have there.

Hardy geraniums are great - so versatile. I have several cranesbill types in total shade and they are brilliant, tough little flowerers.

Also have a hardy one that is similar in colour to yours - but not yours - called Dragon's Heart - have a look at these for hardy tyes:

http://www.plantsforshade.co.uk/acatalog/Geranium.html

(a great site too for learning about different types and excellent mail order) 

I find that my various garden centres around here usually have very very few hardy types - the odd Rozanne and that's it, so I end up hunting high and low for different types!

Just found a Chocolate Candy (chocolate coloured leaves and small pale pink flowers) and a Pink Spice (purle leaves and tiny pink flowers, spreading) the other day and was dead chuffed 

http://s4.gardenersworld.com/uploads/images/original/23923.jpg?width=300&height=208&mode=max

 

http://s4.gardenersworld.com/uploads/images/original/23924.jpg?width=153&height=142&mode=max

 

 

 

21/05/2013 at 12:11

Never done it, Nutcutlet. I goggled some sites one or two recommend it, both stem and root cuttings, including one specifically naming Ann Folkard, which has similar structure to Roseanne, but only if bottom heat is applied to keep the temperature above 22 C. 

Here's the link:

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/propagate-sterile-hybrid-hardy-geraniums-24658.html

I have a couple of bottom heat propagators somewhere - I'll dust them down in Autumn and give it a shot. 

 

21/05/2013 at 14:18

Thanks Gold1locks, I may give it a try.

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