Lyon Greene, thank you and good advice of reading things to do and some very interesting stuff but it seem to be more for the experienced garden than someone who has decided for the first time in their life I think I am going to have a go at this!!! but thanks for the advice anyway, I have now asked a few questions and enjoying my time here and thank goodness for this site as without it I would of probably lost interest and gave up due to some of my newbie boo boos that I have been put right with and had chance to change before it was too late, thanks to everyone that helped me with my hanging basket fiasco LOL!!!