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25/01/2014 at 17:37

I like to be organic and make good use of the compost in my compost bin, however I put peelings from my supermarket bought fruit and vegetables, which are usually not organic. Can I  describe my compost as being organic in this case?

25/01/2014 at 17:53

Strictly speaking probably not dd. 

25/01/2014 at 17:58

I think you are right.   What do other people think about it I wonder?

25/01/2014 at 18:23

That is a good point............it's not something that really occurred to me.

I do the same as DayDaisie but like to think I garden "organically".  Perhaps not then ?  Unless every bit of veg you buy is organically grown, if you add non organic matter then I suppose your compost heap isn't "organic"

I guess you need to look at the Soil Association's rules ?

 

 

25/01/2014 at 18:45

Daydaisy you could get too caught up in this organic or not question.

If all you are adding to your compost heap from outside your plot is a few peelings from bought in fruit and veg then it's as close to organic as makes no difference.

The important thing is to garden as organically as possible yourself.

If you are not selling as organic then what the difference.

If you are happy that you have kept non organic practices to a minimum.

Strictly everything added to the veg plot must be organic for the finished product to be classed as organic.

Most of us use seeds that are not certified as organic to start with.

Here in my garden I use nets and fleece to leep off pests as much as possible but if you want a crop of Rooster spuds then a blight spray is a neccessary evil.

 

25/01/2014 at 18:51

Good luck with that one. (soil association rules).

Soil is classed as organic if no pesticide or artificial fertiliser has been applied for 5 years. The perfect organic system is closed. nothing is imported in to the cycle.

In a normal garden setting, I think it is better to put the banana peelings in the compost, even if they are not organic, than to landfill. By the time it is composted any pesticide residue should have decomposed. Most seeds are not grown organically. I think that it is such a tiny %of the end product as to make no difference. Most people would count peat as an organic product, but it fails on the count of  not adding in to a closed system. Without keeping our own pigs and sheep, it is not feasible to have a closed system in the average garden.

25/01/2014 at 18:59

My point fidget is to do as much as is feesable without getting hung up on the organic for organic sake.

Even if we are not 100% organic the produce from our veg plots is 100 times better than veg grown far away and harvested a week ago.

 

25/01/2014 at 19:10

I add compost (my own) , fish blood and bone, and FYM from the farmer up the road. The FYM  is from cows and horses bedded on straw and wood shavings.Probably none of those sources are truly organic. I would rather add that than  growmore and recycled rubbish from the council. The seed  I use is not organic, but I consider the end product that I eat, to be as near organic as I can get. I know that pesticide residue is next to non existent, and thats what I'm bothered about.

25/01/2014 at 19:25

Organic or not Organic that is the question.I,ve been allotmenting for umpteen nifty years.I mostly use my own compost got in the usual way.But there aint no way it could be claimed to be organic.I put racehorse stable manure every two years on the plot and although I get a lot of winners veg. and fruit wise(get the joke) no way is my plot organic even though I don,t use propriety fertaliser except growmore in moderation.

25/01/2014 at 19:44

I don't think it matters much if you're not selling it or your produce as organic. Just get it as good as you can

25/01/2014 at 19:47

For me, yes.  It is enough if you put supermarket peelings, etc in your compost for,you to call your decomposed produce organic.  

Why worry about the theory of it all?  Where else,would you put your peelings etc.?  The air, the water and most everything else is not purely organic.  When your compost heap is properly rotted down the result is as good.....as organic...as anything else.

I grow organically.......no artificial fertilisers and "organic" ways of protecting my crops like fleece, companion planting, etc.  However, in mpc, bags of dried manure, and the like there is an artificial element in them.  

 

25/01/2014 at 19:48

The trouble is , an organic farm won't sell their FYM. They keep a closed cycle and use it on their own fields.

How far back do you go.? If you grow organic seed, were the parents of that seed organic? If the racehorses were fed organically grown feed, were the parents of that horse?

A plant does not know the difference between organic or non organic nutrients, or whether its in soil or grown hydroponically, so long as it gets the nutrients it needs.

What bothers me is the pesticide residues. So I use barriers, moth traps, and tolerate some losses.

25/01/2014 at 19:50

Nut you got it exactly right. On a small piece of ground you cannot be self sufficient with all the additives so there will always be stuf coming into the garden. My FYM is from pedigree charolais cattle but it might just as well  be from half breds as the end product still works the sane way.

Avoid using the sprayer as much as possible and we will all be healthier.

25/01/2014 at 19:56

and so say all of us.

25/01/2014 at 20:04

Agree.  Heck, WE aren't 100% organic.  My wig is 100% nylon, my false teeth are plastic and my false eye is made'of glass.  Oh, and there's my wooden leg which is made of plastic 

Ooops!  I'll get my coat 

25/01/2014 at 20:17

25/01/2014 at 20:30

Thanks all for your comments and thanks Verdun for a laugh!  I guess I'll just carry on with my compost heap and not get too hung up on this conundrum.

25/01/2014 at 20:35

Don't get hung up on it daisy, enjoy it

26/01/2014 at 20:41

It is what you add to it, or don't that counts,

if the contents of the bin are remnants of your food it is completely poison / chemical free.  As long as you don't add " blood fish and bone" or other suspect substances

it is natural and chemical free !!!

     Food Produced,   without artificial fertilisers or pesticides !  = organic

 

27/01/2014 at 11:25
patty3 wrote (see)

It is what you add to it, or don't that counts,

if the contents of the bin are remnants of your food it is completely poison / chemical free.  As long as you don't add " blood fish and bone" or other suspect substances

it is natural and chemical free !!!

     Food Produced,   without artificial fertilisers or pesticides !  = organic

 

  Fish, Blood and Bone is an accepted organic fertiliser. 
Quote  from RHS webiste here https://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?PID=304
"...... Organic fertilisers: These are derived from plant or animal sources and contain plant nutrients in organic form. Organic products tend to be slower acting, as large organic molecules have to be broken down by soil organisms before the nutrients within them are released for plant use. Examples of organic fertilisers include: seaweed, hoof & horn, dried blood, fish blood & bone, bone meal, poultry manure pellets and liquid comfrey or nettle feeds....."
If you wish to register as an organic producer with the Soil Association you have to  test your soil and get their permission to use the above fertilisers, this is to ensure that the soil's nutrient content is kept in balance - but the above are the fertilisers recommended for organic growers. 

 

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