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Busy Bee2
I remember all this with Dad. Sadly in his case, the catheter was a permanent fixture, but not because of the bladder cancer - due to another technical problem with his pipework, and he hated it with a passion. So I can understand your being anxious to be rid of it, and the frustration of not knowing when they are going to do it, and where. The NHS seems to be increasingly hard to contact these days. One arm of it always throwing you to another arm, all of them overworked and understaffed. We've done the thorny topic of religion so far on this thread, so I'm going to throw in some politics - I smell a Tory government, I'm sorry but I do. Everything seems to be falling apart - and the health service in particular. They want us all to start paying for healthcare, and to hell with all those who can't afford it. And the rich are getting richer. Well yippee for them.
Orchid Lady
Never discuss religion or politics at a dinner party.......but for what it's worth I don't trust any of them,get me in parliament I say
Busy Bee2
OL, we need quotas. If only 5% of people in this country go to private and public schools, only 5% of politicians should be allowed to come from them. We need 50/50 men and women, proportional representation of the main races/cultures in this country. And if anyone thinks quotas prevent the 'most talented people' from getting the jobs, that is just a smokescreen. Just imagine all the 'talented people' from the world of acting, writing, music, the arts, television etc. drowned on a boat, it would take about five minutes to replace them with equally talented people who haven't had a look in yet, and the same is true for politicians. Right, I shall leave it at that, cos I'm getting far too worked up for a Monday evening, and I wouldn't like to upset a dinner party. xx
Orchid Lady
Don't get worked up Bee, it's not worth it ((hugs)) x
Mike and fellow gardeners and friends.Apologies for not posting here sooner,its been a very busy day and hospitals were once again on the agenda.My 15 year old daughter had to see the ENT specialist about a nasal polyp.She has perennial rhinitis which she inherits from me bless her and will need to have it removed under GA.We could be waiting two months though but I suppose it could be worse.

Anyway Mike,you are making me wince my friend at the descriptions of your catheter.Just the thought of it makes me cringe and you have my most profound sympathy.Hopefully that instrument of torture will be rendered superfluous in the very near future.

Oh and as I was sitting in the waiting room today with Mrs Fish and my daughter,I was examining a very impressive quilt/tapestry thingy on the wall.There were two statements sewn into it saying 'gardening gladdens the heart and soothes the soul' and 'gardeners make friendships that grow'. I think I got that right,I'm typing from memory.How appropriate me thinks



Hi Mike sorry haven't posted earlier. So glad to hear you are doing well, keep on at the hospital or your GP about the pain they  must give you something stronger, at least till you start to heal internally. Keep posting and keep well 


Mike - bless you I know the catheter is grim, my Pa has had one for over 4 years.  It'll soon be out and you'll be feeling much more like yourself.  Try to look forward to sitting out in your garden and enjoying the summer - if you can relax the pain will ease.

Some of us are going to Bressingham Gardens today so I'll post some pictures this evening.  I'll have an ice cream on your behalf - I'm so kind 

Thinking of you ((hugs))


Oh dear, sounds awful. I hope you manage to get a night's rest. Perhaps you need antibiotics, could be an infection. Go to A&E tomorrow. When I was a nurse I don't remember men saying it hurt that much, perhaps they were putting on a brave face. I've removed catheters and no one even said "ow".

Yep sounds like that needs medical attention now Mike.What are you supposed to do,sit in agony over the bank holiday?? Could a nurse come out from your local GP surgery?

Hang in there mate and much love, the fishes

Keep strong Mike 


Thinking of you Mike. It does sound like it might be an infection. Get to the doctors or A&E as soon as you can, or call the doctor out if the thought of the journey is too much. Hope you get a good nights rest at least.


Thinking of you this morning Mike and hoping you're ok ((hugs))


Mike - please get some attention for that. My Dad suffered in silence with a broken arm after taking a tumble in the bathroom, and despite me telling him I'd come and take him to get it looked at he kept playing it down as just being 'a little bit sore'. When I came round two days after it had happened I couldn't believe the state of it. He was frightened of having  to go to hospital and leave my Mum. Fiercely independent.

Don't be a hero - it doesn't sound right  


Just a thought - can you phone your surgery and ask the Practice Nurse for advice - tell her how much pain you're in.  

Some good advice there Mike.  



Good morning, Mike

For what it's worth (ie me not being a medical bod) I have to agree with others saying you should let the medical professionals know you are in so much pain.  Unfortunately, they aren't going to be asking you how you're doing and you have to shout loud to the get the attention you need these days.  I know this from recent experience with my mum who has been back and forth to the hospital / GP for months.  Please, please see someone who can help.  You're in my thoughts.  x



Firstly - don't try pulling it out yourself tempting though it might be - if its attached itself to a clot or such like it will create an awful mess and pain. Much better to let the nurses do it and then they can be on hand to mop up anything unexpected. I'm sure the chances of that happening are tiny but the last thing we want is for you to take any risks. Now they don't normally hurt but we can all imagine that while you were under the doctors were less than gentle with all the tugging and shoving making sure they got all the cancer out so its no surprise you're going to be bruised all over. But they really ought have given you something a little stronger than paracetamol to take as required.

Secondly - get yourself off to A&E if you think you're up to the car journey. Yes I know we don't like to bother the nurses with such minor things but believe me they're used to it and would rather treat you, a polite gentleman left high and dry by the NHS now desperate for help than a drunk who thinks its his right to get as pissed as a fart, fall over banging his head, and assault a nurse because she wouldn't let him keep hold of the vodka bottle.

Unfortunately A&E tend to have to look after the likes of you a lot as paperwork gets lost and appointments slip. A friend who works in A&E has told me this I am fortunate not to have to experience it. A&E will either sort you out there and then (especially if you just want it removing) or get you booked in the system (again) and push you up to the right department to get you treated.Once you're in the system there'll be a nurse ready to fight your battle and make sure you get the treatment you need.

Thirdly - if you can't face the journey phone your GP and tell them that unless they can get out to see you TODAY than you will have to call an ambulance. Make it your GPs responsibility to either treat you or have you taken to A&E. This way when you call for an ambulance (don't worry they wont be flashing blue lights over in three minutes jobby they respond as appropriate so you may have to wait a while as a "low priority" case - use the 112 number) both the person taking the call and the paramedics who arrive will be aware that you've been abandoned and been forced to do this and if they're anything like my friends will be swearing bloody murder at the people who have left you like this. I had a trip to hospital in an ambulance after an operation went wrong several years ago - I just couldn't sit up long enough to survive the car journey without passing out after a few minutes (my spinal fluid was leaking out the hole they'd made) . The chaps who looked after me were so kind to me and told me that they weren't on 999 calls they were a dedicated team picking patients up their homes / GPs to be taken to hospital.

Fourthly - a cotton bud with a little diluted TCP is quite helpful for cleaning up around your spout / catheter interaction point and might help keep it clean so any infection can't develop. I find a cotton bud gives you a little better griping point so you can be very gentle.


Oh Mike you should see my blood pressure seeing you struggle like this. I wish I lived close enough to be shouting down the telephone on your behalf.

Wow Clarington there's some brilliant advice there.You are so right though,you do have to make yourself heard because I've found this in getting medical attention for my wife.
Orchid Lady

Are you listening to us all Mike, as you've aid we are all friends so I (we) hope you have done as you are told and got some medical advice.  I hope you are feeling a little better today ((hugs)) x

Busy Bee2

Mike, I am going to PM you with my phone number.  As you know, I have been through all this with my dad, and I would really to speak to you and Amanda, so that I can tell her all the 'buzz words' I used and 'buttons I pressed' with the NHS and social services, so that she can advocate for you as powerfully as possible.  xxx