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31/05/2013 at 10:06

MMP - agree. It was the same with the moors murders. He taunted that poor woman pretending to know where her son was. Doesn't get much worse than that. my sister lost her first child at 10 months but at least it was peaceful and they were with her.

Cuddle them tight.x

31/05/2013 at 10:33

I agree too, MMP, and, gruesome as it sounds, would add that in this particular case torture should be used to extricate what he did with that child. I bet if they pulled out his fingernails one by one he's soon remember!

31/05/2013 at 11:00

Torture never works, a stoic will enjoy it and laugh, a coward will tell you anything to stop it, usually not the truth.
He will suffer hell in jail because the hard lads in there hate child molestation, they will probably have to lock him up 23 hours a day for his own safety although they will have to let him out sometime and God knows what they will do to his food.
He will suffer years of torture, will not get the mod-cons for a long while so will be stewing on his own thoughts and memories alone without the alcohol he once used.
That is hell on earth to normal people, the death penalty is too quick.

Online Porn should be banned, what sane person needs it and what kind of twisted mind would get any enjoyment out of watching the stuff. We talk about freedom to do as we wish although there is also the freedom of the people who suffer from the people who then go and enact their fantasy's.
Also when will social boards like face book and such clamp down on the people who trawl them for their own ends.
Some call it progress, yes progress into the pit more like it.


31/05/2013 at 16:27

One of my tutors at college got 'poached' many years ago, to work on their anti-porn unit, it was his job to track down where someone was using their ISP address, and they would have a visit from the boys in blue.  They would also track down the providers of such filth, and they'd have the book thrown at them, although they'd be out in a few months and back to making the hardcore stuff.  They let the other inmates know what they'd been doing, and justice in it's most basic form is what they got once they were inside.  The prison officers would let it go on, and stop it short of Murder, so most of their time was spent in Hospital Prison.

Interestingly enough, they move staff on in this unit pretty regularly, especially once they have kids, as the porn involving children is the worst (and they get years for making that, rather than months if it's just adults that are the participants).  You are not allowed to work in the unit if you have kids under 16, as the temptation to go around with a shotgun has proved too much for some people in the past.

So there are people out there that are doing their best to stop this, but it's an awful job, and there are lots of safeguards to ensure the well being of the normal people who have to watch such awful things (psych evaluations, counselling etc), to make sure it doesn't impact the good guys too deeply.

America has the right idea for child molesters, either the chair, lethal injection, life meaning life, and chemical castration being some of the weapons in their arsenal.

I think that castration should be an option in the UK, for child molesters and violent rapists/murderers.  Even if they are released, they physically wouldn't be able to do anything.  And they should be fitted with a tracker for life, so you can keep a watch on them to make sure they don't try anything else.

31/05/2013 at 17:39

One problem MMP is the freedom movement, you should never be stopped doing what you wish in the name of freedom no matter who it hurts.
They should be made to sit in on trials such as we have just seen and made to realise their fight for total freedom can do much harm.
I spent time as a Regimental Policeman as a young lad and we had plenty of prisoners, men called up for their two years who did not want to be in, they went AWOL and always got caught, we treated them in a proper manner until they brought in the rat who had raped one of our Naafi girls, he fell up and down the Guardroom steps daily (we had no steps), I refused to take part but did nothing to stop it, he was glad to leave for Colchester and I was one of the escort.
He did a runner on the station but I was faster he arrived at the prison in a bit of a state and got no sympathy there.
People make porn because there is money in it, if others did not buy the filth it would stop dead.


31/05/2013 at 19:05

I don't think it's *porn* or *online porn* that's the problem there. I think you have to narrow it down a bit further than that. There have even been studies done that showed a negative correlation between availability of "normal" porn and frequency of sexual assault, suggesting that men-it's-mostly-men-after-all who are that way inclined seek an outlet one way or the other and will settle for the readily available porn instead of taking risks.


Number of issues with castration, like it being irreversible and verdicts occasionally being wrong (see, for example, original Hillsborough reports, the Guildford Four, the Maguire Seven and so on). There's also the matter of motivation. Taking away the sex drive could reduce someone whose thing is little girls from predator to just some old guy who occasionally sees a little girl, thinks she's beautiful and wishes he could take her on a horse-riding holiday because she'd like that and she's got a lovely smile. Sure. What about someone who's using rape as an expression of hatred rather than trying to get off regardless of the other person's preferences or opinions? Not being able to get it up won't make him hate any less or be any less inclined to act on hate. He'll just find something else to use, like a glass bottle.


Locations of bodies? One sturdy chair, one roll of duct tape, one serrated kitchen knife, a bottle of vodka and a week or so, and they'd be begging to tell the truth. It's probably better for the soul to just stuff the bastard full of barbiturates, ecstasy and marijuana, keep him talking and wait for him to run his mouth.

31/05/2013 at 20:36

Crikey! I think we should all remember that it is possible to sink to the same level as the abuser! We must be humane or we reduce our own humanity to a bestial level.

I do think there is an argument for castrating sexual abusers of children.They will not change - the connections are in their brain for good. The only possible alternatives are lifelong imprisonment or permanent supervision in the community, by electronic and other means. Why should people have the right to retain their sexuality when they use it only for destroying children emotionally and psychologically?


01/06/2013 at 01:02

If anything ever happened to either of mine, I'd wait for the bastard to be released from prison, nail him to a tree and use him for target practice.  It's amazing the damage that can be done with a carbon-fibre arrow - I've been told they shatter if they hit bone.  I've seen one unzip when another arrow hit the knock.  That was very nasty and required rigger gloves to remove from the boss (target).

I have been told that I'm neither left-brain or right-brain dominant (which is fairly rare), in tests I've come out 49% left-brain and 51% right-brain.  I forget which is which, but one is meant to be female and creative, the other male and logical.  I'm often told that I'm odd (mostly in a good way).  That might explain why I can get quite aggressive if I think my kids are in danger, can throw a punch like a bloke (the trick is not to aim for the nose, but the back of the skull), will happily change the wheel bearings on my car (under supervision), but still like handbags and sparkly stuff.

I wonder if the powers that be are allowed to use sodium pentathol (or whatever the name for the 'truth drug' is), or if it's been banned by the tree hugging hippies in the name of peace and love.  That's why I like dogs, I get them, they have few needs and drivers.  People puzzle the bejaysus out of me.

01/06/2013 at 11:27

@reiver..  Anne Mcaffery.. super books.. i got introduced to t hem by a poster on another forum and i love them.

i like fiction books mostly as  they take me away from it all.. i love lori handeland night creature series..christine feehan ghost walkers series is brilliant.. and i just finished perks of being a wallflower and the moon and back.. this had me in tears.  all super books..

01/06/2013 at 11:32

wow.. MMP.. must remember not to mess with you  lol..

i am a bit like you i think... will stand my ground and can throw punch.. broke nose of someone when at school as had enough of their taughts one day.. got suspended for that.. but they never bothered me again.. so worth it.

i can do my car also.. oil change, change the wheels, and most of the jobs that come up.. apart from the electronics.. that needs the computers now.. i did the offside front lower arm last week as i hit pot hole and took it out.(our potholes on all our roads are huge.. so very dangerous.. spend more time looking out for them than watching ahead.. very bad)

but i am not sure if that is more because i have been a skin flint all my life or becuase i was raised and taught how to do these things for myself.. i do all the decorating to.. but that is more becuase hubby just doesnt do it right.. haha..

01/06/2013 at 11:55

gardenfantic-men always think they can decorate etc better than women.....we'll just let them go on thinking that eh?!!!

I understand the reaction to some of the horrific cases we've discussed here - but I have to say- I'm with Ghandi in that 'an eye for an eye makes us all blind'. I genuinely hope if anyone harmed my children I would have the dignity the Lawrence family showed every time they appeared in the media after the dreadful death of their son.

As I think I've already said  recently - for all the human race has done and achieved - we really haven't come very far at all have we.

Our 'intelligence' is sometimes used in all the wrong ways.

01/06/2013 at 12:23

MMP an old Yorkshire saying is "theer's nowt queerer than folk" very true, if we were all the same it would be a boring world.
I am one up on you and your trusty Bow, I could hit a target at 1000 yards with my trusty weapon, titivated of course and hand filled rounds so do not come after me.
That is unless you want help with ancient Land Rovers, we had a lot of bother with them in Cyprus and Germany, most of those were left handers and for some reason did not work as well as the rightees. We would often tilt them to work on the bottom, prop shaft changes etc, we got a few of those with the rough time we gave them.

Rant today, I have had six differing bits of paper and leaflet pushed through the door which went straight into the paper waste bag next to the door, then I took another six bits of booklet and paper from my morning paper, I could fill that waste bag in a morning. I think we get them all because we are slightly upmarket area, neat lawns and long drives attract them like bees to nectar.
I am getting a notice printed for the gate. I do not order food to be delivered I cook it, I do not need a new drive it has been there 30 years and never moved or had weeds, I do not need plastic windows doors gutters, I had them put in by the best. I do not need a new boiler because I am the old boiler around here and ready to blow my safety valve.


01/06/2013 at 12:27

Intelligence?  Eh?  Won't find much of that in my head!

I have a new rant.  Corned Beef tins.  To get Max to take his tablets (say that very quietly, he knows what it means), I have to coat them liberally in corned beef, then it doesn't even touch the sides, and I run the risk of losing fingers up to the second joint.

Whoever invented the tins it comes in needs a good spanking, firstly, you're lucky if the key is still attached to the tin, then you need to take the paper off the tin (or else that fights you too), and once you've opened the tin, you are left with the key attached to one side, and two incredibly sharp bits of tin.  The same goes for tins of shaped ham and cod roes.

Between the tins and the dog, it will be a minor miracle if I still have ten fingers by this time next week.

01/06/2013 at 17:46

I think the worst tin to open ever is a Fray Bentos pie tin

.Tried one a few months ago, battery tin opener would,nt touch it,ordinary tin opener would make a tiny cut and then jam,spent ages trying to get the tiny cuts to join up.Eventually opened it and found the cooking instructions were on the bottom of the tin which you could not turn over.Not a nice pie anyway,won,t bother again,homemade much better.

01/06/2013 at 23:29

I do not believe I am reading this MMP and Gilly, opening tins???
You can get Corned Beef in pre-packed slices, normal, less salt and less fat so plenty of choice.
Fray bentos pie well the army ration packs cured me of those.
Bang all the ingredients into a casserole on 150 for three hours while you shop do the washing top up your tan in the garden, then in the fridge to mature. Next day cover with Jus-rol pop in the oven and one lovely home made pie, some frozen peas with mint and Jersey Royals a feast for a King or Queen.
I bought chicken for my dog and a pill stuffed into the chicken vanished.

My day of collecting waste paper did not end this morning, the evening paper was full of leaflets and then the local adverts paper dropped noisily through the letter box so my filling the waste paper holder in on day nearly came true, what a waste of time money and "well" paper.


02/06/2013 at 09:10

ahhhh .. the junk mail.. well i asked my postie how i stop it.. and he told me to ring my main sorting office and ask them to stop it for me.. though cant stopped named stuff..

and told me they make money on ach of those delivered adn that is why they put prices up so high.. they dont want our mail. they make too much with amazon direct mail company and all that crap..

so we should all sign up to stop it.. i get fed up with it all time.. especially as here they are thinking of bringing in fines if you have more than one green recycle wheelie full of stuff or 2 recycle bags full.. it is mad.. oh and it all has to be washed and clean before going in.. i have never had such clean rubbish before..only allowed one black bag of non recyclable. then the  one small food waste bin (which is emptied each week here).. the recyclable and black bag is every other week.. so soon fills up with all that rubbish that comes through.

WHen i go shopping now.. if there is packing that is not required then i leave it at the till.. they moan like hell but i say it is yr rubbish..i dont need it, the food dont need it.. i also never take bags for my fruit etc.. and they moan about it rolling about at the till.. just say same.. i dont what the plastic bags thanks.. if they were paper i would take them and stick in my composter.. but not those ones at mo, thanks!

02/06/2013 at 09:13

oh and to add to that.. all material and batteries and ink cartridges and shoes anythign like that can not go in our black bag.. we have to trudge to recycling centre to dispose of ourselves..

thou  most of our materials go to the air ambulance box in shop car park.. as do old shoes etc.. as much as possible on those we can.. closer than the recycle centre.

02/06/2013 at 09:14

mmp.. yeah i know and we have to wash ours out before binning them.. not good. have cut mu hands 7 times on tins that needed cleaning out first..

02/06/2013 at 09:57
TinaTurner wrote (see)

Frank, you wouldn't get food poisoning when my Daughter and SIL have a barbeque or any meal for that matter, as they cremate everything. If it's not charred, it's not ready.

So, no food poisoning, just cancer, eh?

02/06/2013 at 10:23

No sense of humour Charlie.