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thecatsmother

Bearing in mind my recent discovery of a gooseberry poking out of a corner of brambly stuff, very close to my also-recent discovery of a tayberry amongst brambly stuff. And also bearing in mind that there seem to be various roses (inc climbing and rambling) scattered around. If a spiky stem has neither forming blackberries nor flowers on it, exactly how does one tell if a spiky stem is a bramble or a rose?  

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stoopid answer time ... many rose thorns  have an oval base so the thorn looks like it is 'floating' on the stem and will break away easily. Bramble thorns are more integrated into the stem. Rose stems are round mostly, some bramble stems are squarish with flat or even concave sides.

Brambles and roses have different growth habits and patterns, but I would imagine that won't help you at the moment.

Then there are the leaves, which are utterly different. The ol' net has some pictures no doubt

 

fidgetbones

Stupid question. How do you get the moving emoticons?

Just thought, if the stem has no leaves it is probably dead.

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nutcutlet

They'll both still have thorns even if they're dead and even more painful to put through the shredder 

nutcutlet

very thick fb. they get me round the backof my legs, on my head, everywhere. 

fidgetbones

My garden fights back too.

Still it did get the thieving burglar who left his blood and DNA behind.

ZombieGardener
fidgetbones wrote (see)

Still it did get the thieving burglar who left his blood and DNA behind.

Result.

 

thecatsmother
PeterE17 wrote (see)

stoopid answer time ... many rose thorns  have an oval base so the thorn looks like it is 'floating' on the stem and will break away easily. Bramble thorns are more integrated into the stem. Rose stems are round mostly, some bramble stems are squarish with flat or even concave sides.

Brambles and roses have different growth habits and patterns, but I would imagine that won't help you at the moment.

Then there are the leaves, which are utterly different. The ol' net has some pictures no doubt

 

Thanks for the info re stems and thorns. Re leaves looking utterly different, you mean like this?


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 Not that different really? (not surprising seeing as they're part of the same family...)

Just worried about throwing the baby out with the bathwater when clearing thorny areas.

Also found this on a website : Bramble can also be confused with rose (Rosa spp.), which like bramble has five petals, compound leaves, and thorns, but bramble lacks the distinctive stipules at the base of the rose leaf. " so am now on the lookout for stipules

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Welshonion

Please, please, please, NO moving emoticons,  Worse than spam, I can ignore that!

tcm, re leaves, I stand corrected! Can we still be friends? Bramble leaves will have thorns on the leaf spine itself, roses generally lack this endearing feature.

 

thecatsmother

LOL  of course friends PeterE17  (presuming you live in Walthamstow as opposed to being a pop start from the 90's?) . To be fair the "normal" roses' leaves do look quite different, but the ones which have gone feral seem to start to go a bit more back to brambly I think? I will certainly look closely at thorn attachment (and their extent up leaf spines) as well as stem profiles when tacking my thorny problems . Thanks

No, not a pop star,  I was the 17th member of a forum for people called "Peter E" but it had nothing going on so we closed it.

Ok, I had a cats' toilet in Walthamstow once, nothing grew there but grass, Leylandii and Forsythia. And of course brambles in the greenhouse base after the glass top was blown over by a storm.

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