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12/07/2012 at 13:09

Why is ( and this is not a new phenomenom) Gardener's World filmed over a week before transmission? The weather is often totally different and the tasks are not as relevant. Lots of the show is prerecorded ( visits to growers etc) and need only to be patched in. Surely the bits from the main presenter's garden could be filmed on the day before transmission, not 9 days before as was happening this week ( according to MD's Twitter feed)

12/07/2012 at 13:17

Actually it suits me as I'm gardening quite a bit further north so am that little bit behind Monty

 

12/07/2012 at 13:27

Lowenna-

It is all about editing and pre-production-If you allow say roughly 20 minutes in Monty's garden then they probably film around 2 hours,then you have to allow for setting up cameras, lighting, sound, perhaps re-shooting things for technical reasons or outside noise etc-that that has to be edited down to fill the allotted time

All this takes time and it is obviously done in post production

Secondly there may be other commitments that a presenter has be they private or professional-we don't know.

I am sure there are many reasons why it is filmed a week ahead-at the end of the day it is just a week and don't see that it matters that much

12/07/2012 at 13:41

With GH I believe it was filmed only one or two days in advance but then that was an outside company that specialised in gardening programmes.   It was also done in the same week at AT's.  Things changed when the Beeb took it all in-house when they started filming at Berryfields with Monty and I guess they've just kept the same habits for this version of GW.

I'm more concerned about why the Beeb can't fit in half an hour (let alone a whole hour) a week.  Sports coverage and the Proms can be done on another channel or half an hour later, surely?.

 

 

12/07/2012 at 13:45

Hear hear - just not enough

12/07/2012 at 13:49

I also find it disconcerting it does seem odd in these days of technological wizardry. MD did say in his newspaper column this week that it was still ok to sow sunflower seeds so maybe there is a time warp in Herefordshire.

12/07/2012 at 14:18

Having seen it from the sharp end I do know it is not easy.
The crew arrived from London and did an overnight in town phoning to say be ready at ten the next morning.
They arrived spot on time and took a good while to set up get the right angle and sort out a script. Then we did nearly four hours of interview with only one retake but a move of venue in the afternoon, then they went off back to London.
When the interview came on a week later it was exactly 20 minutes and some added footage so it is not easy.
AT once said for him to take one spade full of soil took three different angles, some re-shots then he had to talk over it so a few seconds took quite a while to film.
They also have to fit in with the Presenters who have a lot of other things to do, they are very busy people, at times it is obvious MD has said get on with it never mind the weather as he often looks drowned.
I am happy for them to take off the tennis for gardening but please leave the Proms alone, the highlight of the year.

Frank.

12/07/2012 at 14:28

If you sign a contract as a presenter, you honour it - don't book other things.

In this age of technology when lots of things are presented live, there is no excuse for post production to take over a week.

There are already unsurmountable geographical differences when giving topical tips and tasks - for example, I live down by Land's End and am often weeks ahead of MD's suggestions - but to add to the difficulties by filming so far in advance, is just very poor television.

P.S. Surely the proms is only boring music and could be restricted to radio 

12/07/2012 at 14:39

Lowenna-

You are back tracking a bit here-I am sure you have said before to other posters that you just adapt the advice to your own circumstances- now you want a programme tailored to suit you needs

As for the contract we don't what the stipulations are -he is committed to presenting a weekly programme which is what happens.

Consider how much time per week you spend in your garden -it is more than 20 minutes-we only get to see a snatch of what really goes on not a comprehensive guide.

Also take GQT- that is recorded weeks in advance and has topical tips that aren't that topical if we are splitting hairs

12/07/2012 at 15:11

A lot of the flagship Chelsea programs are transmitted in real time (perhaps a few hours delay with some of the inserts), and don't seem any the worse for it.

In fact they once did a Red Button feature where Carol Klein walked all around the Chelsea floral marquee, chatting to various exhibitors, and showing us various exhibits, all in real time, and shot with a single camera. It was just as though Carol Klein was giving the viewer a personal guided tour around the marquee.

The whole thing had a sense of immediacy and reality that is completely lacking in scripted and highly-reedited programs.

If the BBC can do Volcano Live from Hawaii, why is it impossible to do GW Live from Hereford.

12/07/2012 at 16:05

As an extra programme not in place of - we're woefully under-provided for and there's way too much sport.

How can you not have a gardening programme through summer?!

12/07/2012 at 16:16
Gary Hobson wrote (see)

A lot of the flagship Chelsea programs are transmitted in real time (perhaps a few hours delay with some of the inserts), and don't seem any the worse for it.

In fact they once did a Red Button feature where Carol Klein walked all around the Chelsea floral marquee, chatting to various exhibitors, and showing us various exhibits, all in real time, and shot with a single camera. It was just as though Carol Klein was giving the viewer a personal guided tour around the marquee.

The whole thing had a sense of immediacy and reality that is completely lacking in scripted and highly-reedited programs.

If the BBC can do Volcano Live from Hawaii, why is it impossible to do GW Live from Hereford.

You could- Monty goes to shed picks up spade walks to the other side of the garden goes "oh no"  forgot the secateurs-walks back comes back again digs hole-dog decides this is great fun and fills in the hole-plane flies over head drowning out noise-picks up rose pricks finger swears...............

Not exactly riveting tv -that is why shots are set up so you see the nitty gritty how much can you achieve in the garden in 20 minutes-not a lot I would have thought.

Showing Chelsea over 5 nights where it is showing static exhibits but no practical gardening going on in front of you eyes is surely a different -then it also has in-fills on how the exhibitor got to Chelsea.

These are completely different programmes.

12/07/2012 at 16:32

I can get through an awful lot in an hour. It simply needs a bit of forethought and preparation and presto.

The way we're going Monty will be talking about the awful weather and how his strawberries are not ripening; while the rest of us are sweltering in a heatwave.

12/07/2012 at 16:36

In your dreams-

I was being a bit flippant-but then I spend my time flitting in and out between the showers or longer periods of rain or constantly searching for that tool that is around somewhere before realising it is "over there"-rubbish boy scout

13/07/2012 at 21:25

If you look at the amount of repeats shown of other programmes on Sky and Free-view, why do they not show GW? You can view previous episodes on IPlayer but I think there is room for more grow your own & general gardening programmes to be produced for TV.

14/07/2012 at 18:07

"the tasks are not as relevant" ?

Surely there are no garden tasks that must be done on, for example, the 33rd week of the year. As we all know, plants have no knowledge of the calendar. Thus, almost all garden tasks that I am aware of have a seasonal time requirement.

In conclusion, why would it matter that the recommended tasks are a week later?

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