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When I first came into the forum I liked it. Over time I have come to realise that it is nothing more than a collection of one or two (at most) of cliques.

Some of the things discussed are at best general chat about day to day mundane rubbish or are secretive and exclusive... cliques! No wonder the forum is dominated by so few.

I see people come here as newbies genuinely seeking advice and information. Yet I see comments saying such things as "That was delt with on GW last week", or people 'quoting' someone from a post that they disagree with as though some ridicule is deserved. Some even try to cause conflict or argument by posting contentious threads for their own personal amusement.

This is not a silly teenage troll room. We are gardeners of varying qualities, abilities, knowledge and experience who wish to share. Lets behave like that!


The chat threads are here for those who want them Digger, those who don't want don't join in.

The garden discussion threads are here as well. I read and post on the threads I choose, that choice is available to all


That is true. But, when I last posted a thankyou for some advice I saw in a thread I didn't instigate, the next 2 posts where.....'here we go again'....and.....'that was covered on Friday by carol'. Was that helpful?? or derogatory??? was it just a put down by someone just posting for postings sake???


I understand what you are saying about the 'cliques'. When I joined I was concerned bout cliques, but have been welcomed in, and I guess that maybe I am now in one of those cliques?  

I have also noticed references to previous threads, and hope that this is done to point the poster to somewhere that the topic has been discussed in an effort to be helpful rather than to cause derision. 

There is bound to be 'debate' and contrasts in opinion. I would hope that these are done politely, but sadly this is not the case. It is easy to misconstrue the meaning behind the written word as opposed to the spoken word. I take most things with a pinch of salt and then ignore the posts/threads I don't like or don't want to read 

I agree that we need to behave like adults 


Sorry Digger, posted then edited as posted before I had finished - bloomin' iPad 



Everyone needs some rhino skin

I enjoy the forum without judgement

i read most threads but not some.  It's a first class garden forum ....the essential part .....with very knowledgeable posters.  

Not aware of any cliques at all.  Wouldnt like the forum to disappear so let's all enjoy it for what it is and not criticise it 


No, its not thick skin people need its a sense of sharing and common interest. As I said this is not a teenage troll room! Cliques should get their own internet chat room and stop using this place as their own personal property. And definitely stop 'downing' anyone with other experience, and knowledge other than their own. All is valuable.


..I understand what Digger is saying but if we're looking for in depth plant discussions then I don't think this is the place really, although the photo threads can be quite nice..

...sometimes during the summer there's more of interest...

...these days I rarely answer newer members as so often I find you never hear from them again, and I just think it's been an awful waste of everyone's time... and often we go to a lot of trouble with our replies....



I think you should report your concerns to the moderators, or to Daniel Haynes, Digger.

I haven't seen evidence of cliques. There are no threads where I feel I couldn't post or wouldn't be welcome. There are some that don't interest me but I don't see that as a problem


I'm very surprised to read what you have written Digger. I can't say that I've ever felt unwelcome. There are always going to be people who have more in common with each other - that's life. And not everybody is blessed with natural diplomacy. And I know that my jokes bore some people silly. We all just have to try to accomodate each other's foibles and funny little ways.

As Nut says, not all of the subjects interest all of the people and if something is tiresome then reading on isn't compulsory.


I agree with Verdun. I don't see cliques as everyone is welcoming to newcomers. Some people have been posting over a long time and their names pop up regularly, but that doesn't mean it's cliquey.

I expect people who mention references to previous threads are trying to be helpful. You can find them by using "search this site" at the top of the page, though a link to the threads concerned would be more helpful.


As I said earlier, I thanked all the comments made about a plant that I was new to. Normally I would take my chances with general book knowledge but I saw a thread and read what was posted which I found useful, but for that a poster came on to deride what was written. That is not what I expect and I believe it not what newcomers expect either. This forum is dominated by a clique of people who speak to each other like they live next door yet totally ignore anyone else as though they are not there. They do not include anyone who is not in their 'circle'.

Verdun, you are the most knowlegeable and experienced gardener on this forum and I often refer people to you. I consider that helpful.


Wouldnt it be a boring world we lived in if everyone was the same and everyone was perfect? 

Not everyone uses one thing for the same thing. We have to respect what other people decide to use the forum for.

It's not causing anyone any actual harm.


..actually Digger I would consider your last sentence to be clicky, the very thing that you are objecting to, as what you are doing there is singling out one member as being over and above all others...  so if you ask a question, no point anyone else responding to you then...?....


Woodgreen wonderboy

I made a lot of new friends here when I needed it most. I don't see cliques, but I do see people seeking something, sometimes gardening advice, sometimes other things.


Salino, you actually think that by referring someone to another forum contributor who you know to have the answer is 'clicky' then you are totally missing the point too. How is helping someone 'clicky'??? A clique is a small exclusive group. Not an individual who directs another to the place they need. Think what I am saying!!! Stop being apologists!


I joined this forum in April/May of this year and at no point have I detected any cliques Digger. I was welcomed warmly,have been given invaluable advice (freely given) and have generally felt that my presence here was valued.

I am by no means an experienced gardener, still very much a novice but never have I been made to feel a lesser person for it. Quite the reverse in fact. I owe these good people a great deal and feel more than a little hurt on their behalf. In cliques they certainly are not. And that's from a relative 'newbie'.


I suppose the truth is, however many threads and subjects there are on the forum, sometimes it doesn't provide what someone is looking for



Digger, if that was the canna thread, the person who said advice was given on GW and "here we go again" has only posted 24 times in the last year or so. Hardly cliquey!I don't think she meant any harm as she put a smiley after her remark. That thread was started 2 years ago. I think most people here are friendly and like gardening, whether expert or not.