@rainjustlearning - also have a look at exochordia "the bride". Congrats on job, FC, do you get staff discount? Don't want to go against the grain Debbie, but always thought you stacked turves face to face in pile. All gardens looking fab. After council ratman came this morning, put up parasol and dusted off deck chair. Thought I'd test it out and woke up an hour later! Blush Noisette Rose just starting to flower - it is covered in blooms, so looking forward to it. Kate I went to Chelsea once and that was enough for me! Bloke came round this afternoon as I was riddling trugful of compost for runners and climbing French beans, we came in for cup of tea, when we went out adolescent rat was staggering round the patio. He was manly and despatched it, but I am feeling a bit twitchy about leaving doors open even though it's so hot. I generally love nature, but....