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02/04/2014 at 17:14

Please can someone help me. This is probably in the place on the forum So please excuse.

is there a general rule about pinching out when growing plants from seed.

Now some things are obvious like veg but what about flowers???

is there a list anywhere, In a book I can refer to? Or on the web?

heres some examples.

peas ( for eating )

sweet peas

stocks

broad bean

godetia

nasturtium

I love gardening and learn something new every day. usually by getting things wrong.

I'd even work free for the advice if there was a chance of working in a garden. 

 

 

 

 

02/04/2014 at 18:26

Hi Heather, last year I was asking a similar question and I learnt that Cosmos like to be pinched out. But there does not seem to be a hard and fast list.

02/04/2014 at 18:34

The general rule is that if you pinch out the growing point right at the top of the plant, the side branches will grow more.   SO if you want your plant to grow bushy, and produce lots of flowers/fruit rather than one at the top you should pinch out the top bud, usually around early summer (I think).

Generally, and as I understand it, the answers are...

peas - no (excepton, I think, to what i just said!)

sweet peas - yes, but i'm not sure when

broad beans - yes, just after the bottom group of flowers has set its fruits (and eat the bit you pinch out)

nasturtiums - no, they branch plenty already.

T'other two I don't know.  But somebody will.

02/04/2014 at 18:36

Hi Heather, there is a Sweet Pea thread with pics on of when to pinch them out.  I have a similar question but only regarding tomatoes so am going to have a browse.

Cant help with anything else as I'm still learning too 

02/04/2014 at 18:44

Oh cheers folks. Yes, okay with sweet peas, great thread and just read the posts about broad beans. 

Anyone want an (old) apprentice gardener in Fife I'll do it. Can pay me in cups of coffee and digestive biscuits. 

Never too old to learn. I hope.

 

thanks again. 

 

 

02/04/2014 at 18:48

I have always pinched out the growing tips of peas at about 4 leaves - I come from a farming family and my father explained that farmers roll their field peas at about that size, it does the equivalent of pinching out the tips and encourages side shoots - so that's what I do, and I've always had good crops. 

Lyn
02/04/2014 at 18:50
Orchid Lady wrote (see)

Hi Heather, there is a Sweet Pea thread with pics on of when to pinch them out.  I have a similar question but only regarding tomatoes so am going to have a browse.

Cant help with anything else as I'm still learning too 

With a determinate tomato plant, you just leave it to grow. 

With indeterminate, you leave the top to grow a tall plant, but pick out the little side shoots that appear just by the leave joint,

Your packet of seeds should say which they are or you could check on the net.

 

02/04/2014 at 20:58

Hi Lyn, thanks and I think I get what you mean as I have been researching tomato plants/seeds and need to buy some more seeds.  Indeterminate are the type for the GH that grow tall (eg Moneymaker) and determinate are the ones for hanging baskets and pots (eg Tumbling Tom - which is a variety I am getting).  Is that right?  So I don't pinch out the ones that I have now then as they are indeterminate?

02/04/2014 at 21:08

Determinate varieties of tomatoes, also called "bush" tomatoes, are varieties that are bred to grow to a compact height.

Indeterminate (sometimes called cordon) varieties reach heights of up to 10 feet although 6 feet is considered the norm.

02/04/2014 at 21:09

That's exactly what I was trying to say David, but you put it so much better 

02/04/2014 at 21:11
Orchid Lady wrote (see)

That's exactly what I was trying to say David, but you put it so much better 

XX

02/04/2014 at 21:34
Orchid Lady wrote (see)

 So I don't pinch out the ones that I have now then as they are indeterminate?

Pinch-out the side-shoots from intermediates (cordons) then pinch-out the growing tip when you decide you don't want them to grow any taller.....i.e. when they reach the top of the greenhouse.

Determinates, let them grow unrestricted.

 

02/04/2014 at 21:39

So I don't pinch out when they have 2 true leaves like sweet peas? I think they are a bit small yet so will leave them until I repot and then pinch where necessary (I think!)

02/04/2014 at 22:11
Orchid Lady wrote (see)

So I don't pinch out when they have 2 true leaves like sweet peas? I think they are a bit small yet so will leave them until I repot and then pinch where necessary (I think!)

Bless you, Tracey, NO.

Presuming these are the ones intended to be grown in your greenhouse.....'Moneymaker' for instance? These will have only the side-shoots removed as they progress up their supports. When they reach the top of the supports or the roof, then AND ONLY THEN is the growing tip removed...pure & simple, this prevents it growing any higher.

It therefore follows if you take out the growing tip at any other time, they will be stunted and will not grow any taller.

I'd rather not complicate it any further, but in theory you could use the resulting side-shoots to train up the supports....but let's not go down that path.

02/04/2014 at 22:15

Thank you David, that may explain why in previous attempts they haven't grown very well.....I've been doing it all wrong  The books make it sound so complicated when actually it's quite easy it seems!!  I'm a muppet 

The variety is actually Cossack F1 Hybrid.

02/04/2014 at 22:21
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You're nothing but lovely, Tracey!

Just those little shoots where the leaves meet the central stem to be removed until you want to stop it growing any higher.

02/04/2014 at 23:35

The side shoots you miss (there are always a few) till they're 6" long can be rooted in a glass of water and then potted up to make free extra plants

03/04/2014 at 17:55

Let us hope they are not 'moneymaker' Bob Flowerdew, I think, said recently on GQT that they are pretty tasteless.

03/04/2014 at 17:56

No they aren't, I read they were tasteless too!  They are Cossack F1 Hybrid but I am growing some others too 

03/04/2014 at 18:00

Amongst others, I grow at least one Moneymaker every year. Would say mine weren't   tasteless. 

I'd say tastie. 

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