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Dovefromabove

I've been reading one of my favourite poems by John Clare, 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yCRbArVKs  - one line goes 'how lovely are the pingles in the woods'  

I used to know what pingles are - I think they're primroses, aren't they?  Does anyone know?

Think it's an old name for them in the Cambs/Northants/Beds area. 

KEF

I only know the crunchy things in tubes

Dovefromabove

I'll let you off, just 'cos it's your birthday 

nutcutlet

I know the word paigle for cowslip.

Maybe there are regional variations.

Fleurisa

Or those patterned jumpers for playing golf in

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Dovefromabove

I wonder if Clare uses it to mean the little open spaces - glades - in the woods - that would make sense wouldn't it?

Busy Bee2

We live on 'Pingle Lane' and a local told us that it is used (in Lincolnshire) to mean a sheep track.  Whether or not he was on the right tracks.......!

star gaze lily

Kef and Fleurisa,  childish snigger he he 

Sorry Dove  

Dovefromabove
Busy Bee2 wrote (see)

We live on 'Pingle Lane' and a local told us that it is used (in Lincolnshire) to mean a sheep track.  Whether or not he was on the right tracks.......!

So he might have been talking about flower-strewn country lanes - sheep tracks 

Are you in Lincolnshire  Oh yes, so you are  so is OH's mum 

artjak

I think 'poggles' are cowslips?

nutcutlet

These all sound like regional variations don't they? I wonder where the origin is

Dovefromabove

I know paigle for cowslips and oxslips, but I've not been able to find it's origin - I'm fascinated by etymology - Melvin Bragg's The Adventure of English is one of my mostfavourite books ever.

Busy Bee2

To add to what I said before, I have also noticed a road called 'Pingley Lane' up here, as if the word could somehow convert from noun to adjective, and I think sometimes it is used in place of the word 'road' so you get '(Something) Pingle'.

Dovefromabove

Thanks Busy Bee - it gets more and more interesting.  Next time I go to John Clare's cottage http://www.clarecottage.org/  - one of my favourite places - I'll see if anyone there has any info 

artjak

Dove, I am also fascinated by the way we use language and the way words develop. I love the fact that such 'English' words as settee and bungalow come from India. And that we say 'faux pas' because we don't have an English version, and the French say 'le weekend'

I think the poggle mentioned above comes from Hertfordshire.

I will try to read the Melvin Barge book, even though I am allergic to him

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Busy Bee2

Artjak, one thing that always interested me (as an English teacher) was the fact that if you go through the dictionary, practically every word beginning with 'k' is an import from another language.  Kayak, karaoke, kangaroo, kilt.  And the funny thing about dialect words is that you learn them (along with all the others) and aren't aware they are dialect, until you go somewhere else.  Like the time I talked about 'little tykes' in Manchester, and nobody had heard of tykes.  I had no idea what they meant when they invited me to leave a bike in the 'ginnel' either!

Dovefromabove
artjak wrote (see)

Dove, I am also fascinated by the way we use language and the way words develop. I love the fact that such 'English' words as settee and bungalow come from India. And that we say 'faux pas' because we don't have an English version, and the French say 'le weekend'

I think the poggle mentioned above comes from Hertfordshire.

I will try to read the Melvin Barge book, even though I am allergic to him

I too was deeply allergic to him until I heard some of the radio progs that came from the book - he's now one of my heroes (as long as I don't have to watch him on tv) 

artjak

BB2, what is a ginnel? In Glasgow, they kept talking about the 'area', it was, I think, the steps to a block of flats. And are there really no words beginning with k in Middle English or early English?

The thing that staggers me the most about our language though, is when they asked 4,000 American University students where the English language came from; they didn't know

Busy Bee2

That says a lot - although at least they don't call it 'American'!!  A 'ginnel' is the passageway which runs between the backyards of back-to-back houses - Coronation Street type houses.  Often cobbled and where the bin men collect the rubbish bags (or latterly wheelie bins) from.  There are viking words or names (such as my old surname 'Knott') which begin with a silent K.  And there is a smattering of viking (Old Norse) in Middle English, for obvious reasons.  But mostly, the K section of the dictionary speaks for itself - kumquat, kamikaze, kimono, koala, etc.

 

Dovefromabove

There are some -  kiss, kick and kid etc - all sort of Norse/Germanic, but yes, in the main they would seem to come from much further away.