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Posted: 25/09/2013 at 13:54

Testing 456!

I'm trying a test on this thread because I cant post anything on teadrinkers thread ('Neighbour cutting my hedge') which is stuck at "Yesterday @ 22:22" - but of course  this is not today's yesterday but yesterday's yesterday ... Er, or even before that...

Sorry seem to have lost my thread...

Oh yes: Emailed Daniel but his advice about clearing the Cache didn't seem to help iPad users who don't have a Cmd key. 

However, I found I can pick up other members' postings by clicking on specific members' forum names and viewing their posts there. Doesn't help proper forum discussion but does give a way of seeking out an expected response from any member who you think might answer your post. 

Hope that helps someone

Neighbour's Garden is Damaging our Wall

Posted: 18/09/2013 at 11:28

Gail Peacock said: Sadly because it's a party wall, he's entitled to do what he likes on his side, even though for example painting it with non breathable paint like masonry paint would damage the lime render we've had put on, and stop the wall from breathing again.

That seems tantamount to saying:

  1. his actions on the wall are allowed to affect your side of the wall, in particular - in this case its effectiveness as a barrier againt the elements (which compromises one of the purposes of a wall which is to protect from the elements) -
  2. but that your actions on the wall are not allowed to affect his side of the wall - in his case due to his 'asthetical response' to a finish that is not to his taste.

That seems too one sided (no pun intended) to stand in law.

My instinct would be to get a second opinion on that specific point in terms of your respective legal rights - party wall legislation is one thing but I would have thought that  protection of property from the actions of a-n-other would take precedence here.

"Unfortunately," I hear something reminding me, " the law has nothing to do with common sense!"  ... But I would try for a second opinion.

Neighbour's Garden is Damaging our Wall

Posted: 17/09/2013 at 21:51

Gail Peacock said:

We're just keeping our fingers crossed that he doesn't decide to paint it with masonry paint and trap the water again

Unless I've misunderstood, the above refers to the outside surface of your kitchen wall. It's yours - not his - so he has no right to do anything to it that compromises your property.

i don't known whether you can still talk with your neighbour but if you can, I would be inclined to explain you are trying to resolve a damp problem and need nothing to be done to your wall to jeopardise your investigation of the cause. 

Neighbour's Garden is Damaging our Wall

Posted: 17/09/2013 at 20:52

My neighbour had a terrible damp problem last year - tiles falling off walls etc.

Experts came and searched  out the area of the greatest damp and found the cause was underfloor water pipes whose joints had corroded and been leaking for years.

They took her vynil flooring up in the kitchen and saw the evidence in the wet concrete underneath. Took week to dry out and had to fight tomget insurance to pay up but no problems since repaired 

I'm not telling you this to frighten you, only to suggest you give a thorough investigation of all the possibilities. Eg:

  1. Wet floor: do some of your pipes run under the concrete floor?
  2. Damp floor: has floor membrane been punctured or poorly laid?
  3. Damp wall/floor eg behind units: has DPC of wall been breached?
  4. Walls Damp at top: is the rain overflowing gutters?
  5. ... or is there a roof leak?

You don't want to go through expensive repair processes and find you have attended to the symptoms (eg by replastering)  but not the cause which is something else.

GardenIng jokes

Posted: 17/09/2013 at 19:28

Naughty Diddie/Jeannie! 

I seem to remember that QI dispelled as a myth that belief about Thomas Crapper - sorry to be boringly knowledgeable  ! 

(No I'm not!) 

Neighbour's Garden is Damaging our Wall

Posted: 17/09/2013 at 19:16


Gail Peacock wrote (see)

 But his patio isn't higher than the back of his house (it's a little lower in fact), which suggests that the patio may have been built up from the original ground level.  

Gail: I'm not sure what you mean by 'the back of his house'.

1. If you mean his 'back garden' then logically, if his patio is lower than the rest of the garden,  that would suggest the ground was dug out to accommodate the new patio in order to avoid causing damp problems to buildings - in other words, it was not the neighbour's patio that has caused your damp problem.

2. If, however, you mean his patio is only 'a little lower' than his DPC level (or equivalent) AND if by 'a little lower' you mean less than 6 inches, this could mean the patio has been laid on top of the (then) existing ground level and that whoever is responsible for building the patio would seem to have done so irresponsibly because it has raised the ground level too much -  but even then, only if it can be proved that water levels and 'splash back' of rain are the cause of your damp problem (And not, for example, an underground water course).

It is also important to see which way the water runs off his patio:

Does it run...

  1. into his garden (as it should)?
  2. back towards his house? This could be very destructive for his house and means shoddy building and disregard of levels and own property.
  3. Sideways towards your house? This could explain your damp problem and also means shoddy building and disregard of levell and risk to neighbouring property.


They are just a few  considerations that might help you define the problem and ascertain liability.

Neighbour's Garden is Damaging our Wall

Posted: 17/09/2013 at 13:36

It seems that two of the (as yet) unanswered questions are:

1. Does your neighbour's patio actually raise the original level of the ground? Or...

2. ...was material removed from the top before laying the patio to result in a finished patio which is no higher than what was originally there?

There is one way you might be able to determine that, or at least get some idea: you could try to compare his patio level with his own damp course, if there is one. If there isn't one, then just below the lower cross rail (doorstep) of his door.

If the top of his patio is less than 6 inches from the damp course (or equivalent level) it could indicate a possibility that building the patio raised the original ground level.

I'm not a builder so you need a someone more expert than me to confirm the 6 inch criteria, especially if the property is very old.

I just remember building a patio at my last house (1950s) in ignorance of the risks attached to it ending up only 3 or 4 inches from the damp course.

Fortunately, I found out in time to ensure there was a much lower channel right next to the wall so the DPC was not breached and splash back of heavy rain didn't create a problem But it was not a satisfactory way to build the patio. I could have caused my own house huge problems.

I'm glad we had the whole thing dug out a few years later for a properly built conservatory, so all subsequent damp risks were resolved for us and our subsequent buyers.

GardenIng jokes

Posted: 10/09/2013 at 23:33

(Here's one from "the olden days")

There was this bobby on the beat (see what I mean by "olden days") who noticed a dodgy looking fellow wheeling a barrow up the road with a huge sack on it.

When he stopped him he insisted the fellow opened up the sack. "Certainly, officer," says the shifty fellow and he opens up the sack. Inside there's a load of straw.

"All paid for," said the shifty guy. The policeman checked this out and found it was true.

The next day he saw him again and again he was wheeling the wheelbarrow which held a huge sack, so the policeman made him open it up again. As before it was full of straw. The policeman have him an inquiring and 'suspicious policeman look'.
"'For me rabbits," explained the shifty guy.

This happened every day for two weeks - every time the policeman checked the sack it was full of straw.

It started to wear him down - he couldn't get out of his head the idea the shifty guy was up to something but he was blowed if he knew what.

In the end he stopped the shifty fellow once more and told him bluntly that he knew he was up to something and demanded he told him what it was.

He said he wouldn't charge him with anything but it was driving him crazy and he insisted on knowing why the shifty fellow was moving sacks of straw up the road every evening.

"You won't charge me with anything? says the shifty fellow.
"That's right," says the policeman.
"Promise?" says the shifty fellow.
"God's honour!" agrees the policeman.
"We'll... "
"Just tell me ," the policeman almost pleads.
The shifty fellow leans forward and whispers in the policeman's ear: "I'm knocking off wheelbarrows."

What's the weather like in your area?

Posted: 09/09/2013 at 17:40
East Anglia: blue sky earlier, Got washing out. Collected half and left half - which got soaked in a downpour which crept up on me all surreptitious like!  

The Bully and the Policeman

Posted: 09/09/2013 at 16:23

Got it!

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