Posted: 21/11/2016 at 22:10
the second one could just possibly be a G. maculatum or cultivar but I'm not putting any money on that.
re the first one
there's an old hybrid called Geranium x magnificum that might be the one. Flowers once, not for long,
There was some of that here when we came, great mounds of it, few flowers but, again brief, late summer leaf colour. Sterile I think, there were never any babies.