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ooops, forgot Darmera, sorry
The second is a petasites, possibly californicum or similar name suggesting Californian origin.
I don't know the first plant at all
Internet for information,
well-written book for a read in bed
Some sort of aster, Michaelmas daisy?
No future in wondering how others see you, be yourself and make a garden
'Normal' behaviour for OP sunshine, best ignored
Lovely, enjoy them
not sage or anything herby then
all the images and my memory have a wavy edged leave to fat hen
Have a lookat some images and see what you think
Leave the ivy on the wall, she'll want it off when it's dead
Does it smell of anything with or without rubbing Aubreii and has it got a woody stem at the bottom or is it all green and soft