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15/11/2012 at 07:53

Morning all

Has anyone grown these roses against a fence? im getting very mixed opinions from my local garden centre, not to mention from the David Austin team.

Please help


15/11/2012 at 09:00

How tall, long and strong is your fence?

15/11/2012 at 09:28

I've grown Mme Alfred Carriere against a south-facing fence - it was fine - in fact absolutely gorgeous (although plagued by black spot in some years, but then so are many others).

Paul's Himalayan Musk is a glorious rose and will grow 12 feet wide and 30 feet high, and when I say will, I mean it - it will do it - so look at your fence - unless you live in a tennis court it's not the rose for your fence.  It would be glorious growing up through a tall and venerable old apple or pear tree, past it's best fruiting years.

If you're looking for a pale pink scented rambler 'Narrow Water' might fit the bill - it has a similar flower shape to PHM, but it shouldn't swamp your garden 

15/11/2012 at 10:20

Just ordered Narrow Water. Never heard of it before. Hoope your decription fits. Mme Alfred Carriere grows well on N facing fence. Is that why you have one?

15/11/2012 at 10:25

My Mme AC grew on a south facing fence in an east facing garden surrounded by tall buildings, so even tho' it was south facing the number of hours of strong sunlight it received were limited, so the petals didn't bleach out. 

Narrow Water is gorgeous - it grows beautifully in a friend's garden - I'm trying to find room for it in my new garden. 

15/11/2012 at 10:34


My fence is fairly new, and about 6 and half feet tall. My garden is south facing.

will definately look out for Narrow Water, it sounds lovely.

one other question... will my PHM be ok growing up a north east facing wall at the front of my house, because i dont have any old trees, and I definately dont live on a tennis court

Thank you guys

15/11/2012 at 11:25

I really wouldn't grow it up a wall or a fence -,r:36,s:0,i:185 this is how big it gets!  

I suggest you have a look on the Peter Beales Classic Roses website  I linked to in my earlier post above - it has a brilliant search facility down the left hand side where you can put in the features you're looking for and it will come up with loads of suggestions.  Good luck 

15/11/2012 at 12:35

Thank you D

This link was really helpful, wow this rose is a monster, but a very beautiful one.


15/11/2012 at 18:39

I've grown both of these, and whilst lovely, they want to be huge!!! Much better grown up into a tall tree....

15/11/2012 at 20:13

Thank you Daytona675. As beautiful as it is I think PHM is far too ambitious for my fence even though its new and sturdy

I went out today, and bought narrow water. A much better choice Dove thank you, also Zephrine Drouhin. Should be in by the weekend.

15/11/2012 at 21:25

Both lovely roses 

16/11/2012 at 07:48

I agree. ZD has to be my all time favourite climber, simply stunning....and the scent, knock out!!

16/11/2012 at 11:57

I love ZD as well. Trying to find a suitable place for it. At moment all i can think of is to put it to grow up an old concrete washing line post about 8ft high. Would it be OK there?

16/11/2012 at 14:34

I think that would look great. However if you want it to grow upwards, give it some support by drilling in eyes and tying in the stems. My mums grown it as a shrub in its own right, and it looks stunning. The only downside to ZD is black spot, having said that a good spray of ant-fungal spray in early spring every two weeks till summer should prevent that. I did that with my ZD at my old house and it did really well.

29/07/2013 at 19:08

Gosh I'm so glad I read this thread. I was just about to plant PHM on my old stone wall which whilst it is very long, is only around 10 ft high. That said, I planted a kiftsgate on a similar wall and it's been fine. I really don't know what to do now :/

29/07/2013 at 20:26

I have a Madame Alfred Carriere, only three years old but growing in a SW facing bed in lovely soil, and so far she has only grown to about 15 feet and is twined round an old chain on a pergola. She is quite slim (only about 3 feet in diameter) and has hardly any thorns so is easy to manage. A beautiful rose and not at all unweildy.

I've never grown a Himalayan Musk but, from what I have read, it's a different beast altogether.

30/07/2013 at 17:25

I put mme a c on a north facing wall of the house and it is totally massive.  I love it but it gets terrible black spot and too big to spray.  I cut a huge branch off over an inch in diameter and as it had a fork I used it as a prop in another part of the garden.  Some time later noticed white roses where I never expected! .  Only rose cutting I ever took, and if I had retried it would'nt have worked.

31/07/2013 at 19:55

I planted one of those huge monsters, on a 6ft piece of trellis, obviously wrong, i wonder if i could cut it down and dig it out to replant somewhere else, any ideas about that? 

I only planted it last spring 2012.



31/07/2013 at 21:07

Lyn, I think that's a sensible solution - if you do it in the autumn it'll be fine 

31/07/2013 at 22:59

Thank you dove, about how high would you cut it down too ?

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