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27/03/2014 at 20:22

gardenjeannie, I fear you are right.  People round here often sell commercial greenhouses, and there is a very real temptation - especially as I have now got my head round all those nuts and bolts and clips, etc.

27/03/2014 at 20:25

Andy - when you say 'my two', greenhouses begin to sound like kids!!

27/03/2014 at 20:29

LOL Busy, you would have been more than welcome 

27/03/2014 at 20:58

Thanks OL! 

29/03/2014 at 01:31

BB, did you have to tell me that? I'm jealous of Andy's 2. But I fear I would have to do away with the kids play area to fit another in! I've already stolen their 8x4 sandpit!

Gardeners never have enough space. And now I'm really discovering ornamentals through you lot, I'm buggered!

29/03/2014 at 20:35

gardenjeannie, I think children's things have such short tenure in gardens that you always have to think about what you're going to do when the sandpit is defunct, or the trampoline will go, or when you will no longer need a pitch.  In actual fact, our foster children take as much pleasure in pottering with me in the greenhouse, as they do with playing on stuff in the garden.  They will make proper little gardeners one day.  Guys, you were all so right.  Pottering in the sunshine today has made me deliriously happy, and we have had a lovely 'garden day' together.  The greenhouse is half full already.  Am beginning to understand why people have two, or three, or four.  Don't tell me what ornamentals are - I don't need to know!!

31/03/2014 at 00:20

Oh, BB, you haven't discovered plants just for the heck of how they look, then yet? Oh Dear. They are the ones you grow just cos you like them, not for food. Although I have decided that all my plants MUST serve a purpose

So, here's a bunch of reasons to have non-food plants, 

1, good for pollinating critters, especially bees, and help wildlife in general as feed, shelter etc etc.

2 help deter the bad critters, by smell, looks or taste (I HATE marigolds, but they are supposed to be good for the garden, and you can make handcream from them, so they can just sneak in this yr!)

3 encourage the good predator critters that eat the critters who eat my food plants.

4 Smell good

5 can be cut for house

6 make a windbreak or give shelter to fruit or veg plants

7 you think you may sell a few to get more funds for more garden stuff. (ha, some excuse. I'm obsessed with trying to grow almost useless standard fuchsias with twisted stems, and they take up huge amounts of time an greenhouse space)

8 They can add structure to your garden and yr round interest to your garden, which, according to the mags and tv I am assured is necessary for a well balanced garden

9 someone you like gave it to you, knowing you like gardening, but have, themselves, not a clue. These tend to get mollycoddled out of all proportion, and this is possibly what usually kills them, just as the person asks how it is doing!

10 they sit in pots or baskets all summer, at your busiest time, needing loads of watering and feeding,and don't even have the decency to come back again next yr, BUT They are pretty and fit at least one of above.

11 they make good compost material

12 You just like 'em. They may be pretty useless for any other reason, but they make you smile. Which maybe should be the No 1 reason to have them

But on no account start to waste hard-earned GH space on them. Do as I say, not as I do, me too

 

 

31/03/2014 at 01:07
Busy Bee2 wrote (see)

Andy - you were a VERY important influence in my should I/shouldn't I days - in fact I have been inspired by your photo of a greenhouse ready to go after re-furbishment, throughout the whole process.  I can't tell you how jealous I was of its pristine readiness!!!  I hereby promise to move the pallet. 

Where do I find that to see anywhere I went wrong? Didn't have this forum when I put mine up.

 

Busy Bee2 wrote (see)

Andy - when you say 'my two', greenhouses begin to sound like kids!!

BB, that's 'cos they are! They take at least as much time, routine and attention! But can also give you a wee escape from 'the real world'! They are also like a Tardis. You wonder how it can all fit in, and time seems to alter (disappear), once you step inside. And it is a different world. YES, you can now go out in the horrible weather, be with your plants, Have that glass of wine and feel cocooned from the worst of everything. Just don't put a light and a radio in there, or you may never leave When I got mine up, with a little help from my eldest (10-Y-O at the time), he said 'let me know when you're done, Mum, and I'll give you a hand with your bed'! I can sometimes be found in there beyond midnight, tying in fuchsias and potting stuff on, with a nice glass of something to hand, knowing the kids are safely snoring.

Can plants suffer from second-hand ciggy smoke, does anyone know, by the way? I know they filter all kinds of 'bad' stuff for us, which is one reason I had a job before I moved here, and why plants are used to counter 'sick building syndrome', but I never saw ciggy smoke mentioned in any reports. 

I am so excited for you and OL, BB. I know how it feels to finally get a GH. I spend so much more time cleaning that than my house windows! Have a window cleaner for outside the house, but I would never trust anyone to do my GH, even tho' he has offered me a very reasonable price to do same for that. GH work is fun and satisfying. Housework is just a chore. I would sooner cut my and my neighbours' grass than vacuum the house!

ENJOY, both of you, but please post pics. Often!! 

31/03/2014 at 09:06

I will do gardenjeannie!!  You almost had me wanting to take up smoking there, just for the hell of the rebellion.  Will just have to stick with the wine.  I have been planning to run an armored cable to the greenhouse so that I will have electricity in there - I take the radio to the shed or garage when I'm working in them.  I know what you mean about how gardening and housework are soooo different.  I hate housework too, and had to do some on Friday, and felt the strong call of the greenhouse, so had to treat myself to some potting on by mid afternoon.  I have got ornamentals then!!  I thought it was a specialist term, but I have a flower garden and obviously am really thinking about the bees.  We planted some marigolds this weekend to keep in there with the tomatoes.  And I have planted delphiniums, busy lizzies, cosmos, pinks, agapanthus, rudbekia, and my foster daughter chose some gladioli (which won't see the greenhouse).  I am wanting to extend the garden down the paddock in the long term, and do some 'real gardening' because much as I love my raised beds, they have their limitations.  I have tended to buy things I like and shove them in there willy-nilly, and now I need to do a bit of design thinking.  I don't think I will have any of those plants that people just keep in the greenhouse all the time though, like orchids and amaryllis.  I think that's what I thought you meant by 'ornamentals'.  Just use it for crops and bringing things on - and cuttings is a whole world that has passed me by thus far!  So many possibilities....!

31/03/2014 at 09:13
I love my GH BB2 - hope you have many happy hours pottering in yours
31/03/2014 at 09:21

Thanks Chicky!!  Am wondering what to do with it this morning - like a kid with a new toy.  Best clean the kitchen first though

01/04/2014 at 03:46

BB, you are just like me! However, having suffered, and still do, from SAD very badly, I always thought of my garden as a 'treat' to be done after the household chores, and so then suffered from 'garden withdrawal syndrome' too. So I was then too disinterested to sort the house, so I never got into the garden enough, blah blah and round in circles! But my landlady (a very good friend first) pointed out to me that as I mostly grow fruit and veg,organically, I am feeding my boys, helping the environment, saving food miles and helping my carbon footprint, and so my garden is actually work. So if my house (hers, really) is untidy 'cos I have young kids, but clean under the mess,  do the housework when the weather is bad, and the garden work when there is any chance to get out. I loved the thinking, felt less guilty, but the weather was awful. Then another friend's Dad was getting rid of his GH a nd she said, 'Dad, don't just knock it down, Ruth will have that!'. So, bless him, I hardly know him, he took it doen so carefully. Only brokr 3 panes, and it was at least 30 yrs old. I had twin wall poly that I had been given and was going to make a CF with, so that was sorted, I didn't even need to cut the sides, so that went on the coldest end, away from the door. Many of the bolts sheared as they were aluminium and had seized. So he wnt and bought new bolts for every eventuality, and all new glazing clips. And delivered it right to it's site! and would not even let me give him yhe money for what he had spent. he was so pleased to not have to wreck it.  And best of all, it is 8x6, and I happened to have 2 full sleepers and two halves. so, when I laid the sleepers ( with a little digging), the lengths with the small ones butting up to the longer ones, made a perfect base. (so I Haven't got the steps I wanted, but hey, a perfect base!) It amazing the weight a woman alone can move if she has a purpose. I dragged them 50 yds or more, up the big teraace that they were meant to step, which is 2' or more, all by myself. The only help I had was my eldest son holding the frame up while I fixed it together, them helping to lift it onto the base, and holding it while I screwed it down.

My neighbour gave advice over the fence, that I should seal every gap with putty, as he lost lots of glass his first yr (30 yrs ago!), due not to the wind hitting it, but from it getting inside and looking to escape so causing vibration. So I had the benefit of someone else's hindsight, and better technology in the way of clear, anti-mould silicone. Which not only sealed the gaps, but glued the glass to the frame and the glass to the glass! And reduced the effects of vibration by acting as a cushion.

Now I know how bad the floods were down south, and I always knew how windy it is here.  But it is amazing how attuned you can get attuned to every nuance of wind, once you have slaved over a structure that can fit in the 3  20 yrs of wanting, and broken promises Afterlittle piggy story. Once the frame went up a was secure and level (How lucky was I, for once in my life, it sat perfectly level on an uneven surface, and went right!), then it got windy when I wanted to put in the glass. That was the hard bit, and as the glass was old and brittle, I cracked a couple of corners  until I got the hang of the clips. Then the silicone goes 'off' so quick. But it was up and sparkly clean. It looked so nice, that at first  was loathe to spoil it by  actually growing any plants in it! I just sat in it for days, listening to the wind and rain that could not get in After 20 yrs of wanting, and broken promises, I did it myyyyyy, wayyyyy! for the first 3 wks, we had awful weather. such wind. I was waking in the night and running across the lawn in my wellies and nighty with a torc

01/04/2014 at 08:38
Gardenjeannie I need you to be my neighbour! I have a tiny lawn but I have no neighbours that have grass so don't have lawnmowers. They've all turned their gardens into driveways. I've seen next door pay for someone to come over but I always manage to miss him to ask if he can do mine. I once enquired about how much it would cost to mow my postage stamp, maybe 6x4 at the most, and was told ??30! I could buy a push mower for that and do it myself! Though I'd much rather save that. That's half a days wages for me!

Your greenhouse looks absolutely fantastic. I currently have one of those tiny 4 shelved plastic numbers that cost ??10. Two of the shelves are dedicated to plants the other two to storing the watering can, some towels and some shears. So the mind boggles at the space of yours and how you say you're the beginner! You sound like you know your onions to me!

I really look forward to seeing how it all grows!

PS I don't understand peoples dislike of marigolds! I love them. Maybe in time that will change though!
01/04/2014 at 09:32

Gardenjeannie, your landlady is right.  The garden is important work, and like you, I tend to see rain as a housework opportunity (or shopping!)  And I so agree about what a determined woman can shift on her own!!  My husband has M.E. (chronic fatigue syndrome) and so I don't like to ask him to do anything unless I can't do it by myself, because he has limited energy and over-exerting himself can make him poorly for the next 2 or 3 days!  He helped me by supporting the ends of the GH when I put it up, which was not too taxing.  Other than that, it was all my work, and I am proud!  I wish you were my neighbour too - we could have some laughs, but you are a long way from here. 

Sweetpea, I think the marigolds people don't tend to care for are the french ones - I have bought the English ones, or maybe originally African, which I prefer.  I can tell you exactly what I think the problem is, and it is the 1970s habit of suburban gardeners to grow french marigolds, and red salvia, and small begonias in rows, with at least a foot of soil between each plant, in rectangular beds around rectangular front lawns.  By the 90s, people had moved towards having much fuller beds, with bigger plants, less clashing colours and no soil in sight, and so the 1970s front garden became a bit of a joke, and the plants associated with it were no longer favoured.  That's my guess anyway!

01/04/2014 at 15:06

ahh Busy Bee, that might make sense, having been born in the 90s I have no memory of such thing, only my dad's borders being full of all different plants and colours, he's like me and just planted things he liked with less focus on planning. I'm growing some marigolds, which variety I've no idea, and some Zinnia's which I figure look very similar only more striking, which will be going in a pot, so hopefully if anyone green fingered comes to my house they wont recoil in horror too much at the sight of some orange flowers!

01/04/2014 at 16:34

You are just a youngster SweetPea!  In fact, if 93 means  you were born in 1993, then you are only five years older than my son!  Wow!

Edd
01/04/2014 at 16:57

Not too sure about that BB2.

Have you seen SweetPeas new key board.

http://s4.gardenersworld.com/uploads/images/original/41159.jpg?width=960&height=350&mode=max

 Lol.

Regards

Edd.

01/04/2014 at 17:22
Edd wrote (see)

Not too sure about that BB2.

Have you seen SweetPeas new key board.

http://s4.gardenersworld.com/uploads/images/original/41159.jpg?width=960&height=350&mode=max



 Lol.

Regards

Edd.

Cheeky! I am indeed 21, and only 21 for a while, 21 since Feb. As for you Edd, I have two lovely typewriters, and around 40 ancient film cameras, I seem to collect relics. There's nothing more I like than using something unusual to hold a pretty bunch of freshly cut blooms, once I used a box brownie camera to hold some small carnations in my office space in the previous house. Sadly this one is much smaller, and I'm minus an office, and all the cameras live downstairs in the cellar.

 I assume because my old hobby lives in boxes at the moment, my attention turned to gardening, I tried knitting and crocheting to little gain, mainly because of the fluffy black beast in the photo, so started on the garden. I showed no interest in our old garden which was much bigger, sunnier, and a million times more private. Ah well!

Anyway, back to BBs post!!

Edd
01/04/2014 at 17:57

We all "collect relics." over time SweatPea

lol

Edd.

01/04/2014 at 18:20

My husband collected me....!  Since Feb, isn't 'a while' when you're my age - it's the blink of an eye.  Life speeds up terribly.  OH swears that the Eurovision comes round every two months!  (Haven't had the heart to tell him it's on its way again next month).  Wish I were 21 again.  All the fun went out of knitting when shop bought jumpers cost about 1/10 of what it would cost to knit one. 

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