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15/10/2012 at 17:26

I'm about to make some raised beds on a patch of ground that has a problem with columbine. Should I use some landscape frabric under them to help with weed supression to?

15/10/2012 at 18:57

It's probably a bit late in the year to treat sucessfully with glyphosate weedkiller. I'd dig it over a couple of times before even contemplating beds on an area infested with bindweed. That way you can try & remove as much as possible of the roots.

Then I'd cover the area with the weed membrane & leave it over the winter until spring next year. When you remove the membrane you'll soon see if/when the bindweed returns & can retreat asap & repeatedly until it, hopefully, gives up. Then go ahead with the beds. No easy way to ensure it's prevented from growing again.

Yes the membrane will stop weeds coming from beneath, but also prevent roots going deep for your plants. Also any tear of the membrane will allow the bindweed access to your bed again, so trying to eradicate it before you do the beds will pay dividends in the long run. Sorry to be so negative, but bindweed is very determined. J.

15/10/2012 at 19:18

Jeff didn't say bindweed, he said columbine. I think landscape fabric sounds a good idea.

15/10/2012 at 21:07
The use of weed membrane is overdone I think. It prevents birds accessing bugs in the soil, prevents air movement and restricts future digging and replanting. I have come to hate it. Jeff, do you mean aquilegia? I agree with jo4eyes about digging the plot thoroughly. It's too late for glyphosate too. Before you add soil to your raised beds dig the ground. When the weed, whether it's bindweed or columbine, shows in the spring paint with glyphosate then.
16/10/2012 at 09:31
I'm assuming the original poster means bindweed, not aquilegia. When I moved to this garden, admittedly 18 years ago, it was infested with bindweed, to the extent that one wall, about 20' long by 12 ' high, was covered with bindweed and ivy. Over the years, I must have dug out miles of the stuff, and now only get the odd tiny little wisps coming up, which I pull out on sight. However my soil is very light and free draining, it would have been much more arduous on a heavier substrate. I'm not a fan of weed suppressing membrane either, but you might want to consider a technique recommended by Alys Fowler, of putting down a thick layer of cardboard ( she suggests bike shops as a good source) and covering that with at least 15 cm of organic mulch. The cardboard will suppress weeds, but will also rot down. If aquilegia's the problem, just dig it out.
16/10/2012 at 13:26

Yes I just assumed, possibly incorrectly? that the OP meant bindweed. I'm hoping that my repeated attacks on it at the front have worked, but if not,it actually looks quite good flowering over a boring Laurel bush.

Aquilegia is easily pulled out where not wanted, although I do leave some 'choice' specimens alone.

Agree the thick cardboard layer would be good & probably quite a bit cheaper too! J.

16/10/2012 at 19:11

Yes You're all right, it's bindweed I've got. I like the cardborad idea as I manage a cycle shop so no supply problems. Thanks to everyone for the help.

16/10/2012 at 19:22

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/dec/09/alys-fowler-weeds

Here's an article by her on the subject, but she goes into more detail in her book 'The Thrifty Gardener'. Googling 'pizza gardening' will also give more info.

17/10/2012 at 13:31

I lined my 3 raised beds with thick cardboard, then sifted top soil, compost, Chicken poo, anything I could get. The cardboard has been a great suppressant. I am hoping to get an extra bed and have already got my extra large, thick cardboard box ready.

17/10/2012 at 20:24

Thanks bjay, I'm going with you and using cardboard with soil and compost on top.

18/10/2012 at 09:50

At the suggestion of someone on here (sorry can't remember who) I put a sheet of permeable membrane in the bottom of my new wooden raised bed last year and stapled it to the sides (so it came up the inside sides about 4").  The theory was that this would stop the soil washing out of the bottom of the bed when I watered/when it rained.  It made sense to me so I did it.  

I also lined the inner 'walls' with thick polythene (from the garden centre) also stapling it to the sides, to prevent leaching of any wood preservative - this was recommended by the manufacturer.  

So far so good, we've had a good crop of courgettes, now winter lettuce seedlings are growing well - no slug damage (so far).  And no expensive topsoil and farmyard manure leaching out of the bottom.

PLP
21/10/2012 at 15:15

You could report the bindweed to environmental health, they'll maybe help get rid of it. We have a friend, trying to sell his house, who's buyer has been refused a mortgage because of the bindweed in the open ground at the end of his garden! He's reported to environmental health  and they're coming out next week. They're going to have a field day as there are quite a few areas affected with it. 

21/10/2012 at 18:51

Are we talking the big white Hedge Bindweed? http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?pid=241 

or the little pink/pink & white bindweed Field Bindweed? http://www.wildlifetrusts.org/species/field-bindweed

21/10/2012 at 19:03

PLP - are you sure it was bindweed? The only plant that I know of that would affect insurance is Japanese knot weed.Convolulus is not a serious threat to foundations whereas knotweed can be!

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