Do you strive to do more for wildlife in your garden? Are you cheered by the birds visiting your feeders or the frogs that spawn in your pond? Here, BBC Gardeners’ World Magazine Wildlife Editor Kate Bradbury, is in conversation with entrepreneur and star of BBC’s Dragons’ Den, Deborah Meaden, about why the rhythm of the garden and nature is so important to her.

As well as supporting climate-friendly businesses, Deborah has been slowly returning her countryside garden and surrounding land back to its former glory, encouraging nature in at every turn. Now, swallows, swifts, barn owls and badgers are just some of the creatures visiting and there’s even an otter regularly stopping in to eat the fish in her pond.

She confesses she’s not green-fingered, but will have a go, and is a great believer of ‘right plant, right place’. Plus, Deborah shares her love of weeding, and tells us why she starts every day - rain, snow or shine - wandering around the garden, cup of tea in hand.

From being self-sufficient by growing her own organic vegetables, to the rescue and rerelease into the wild of Pebble, the baby hare, listen now as Deborah and Kate discuss why everyone should be inviting wildlife into their gardens.

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